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* Discord is [https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord#business-model probably going to go bankrupt at some point]. | * Discord is [https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord#business-model probably going to go bankrupt at some point]. | ||
* Discord is based in America, which is a country currently in the process of becoming even more American. This is possibly going to cause problems down the line. | * Alternatively: Discord is [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/05/technology/discord-ipo.html probably going to try an IPO at some point] (sorry for the nyt link). | ||
* Discord is based in [[United States of America|America]], which is a country currently in the process of becoming even more American. This is possibly going to cause problems down the line. | |||
* The only way to use Discord is through their horrible electron client which I don't like very much. | * The only way to use Discord is through their horrible electron client which I don't like very much. | ||
* They keep trying to sell me Discord Nitro which i don't want. | * They keep trying to sell me Discord Nitro which i don't want. | ||
* They just kind of let researchers [https://arxiv.org/pdf/2502.00627 scrape and publish two billion messages] without really doing anything to stop them. This is also a problem with other platforms but at least you can configure your IRCd to make this quite difficult. | |||
== Why IRC == | == Why IRC == | ||
* Funny | * Funny | ||
* I am in the middle of writing a good client for it | * I am in the middle of writing [https://leah.pronounmail.com/code/tubes a good client] for it | ||
== Why Not Matrix == | == Why Not Matrix == | ||
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* Configure | * Configure | ||
* Convince everyone to switch platforms | * Convince everyone to switch platforms | ||
* Bridge? (optional) | * [[Bridge]]? (optional) | ||
== Tech Stack == | == Tech Stack == | ||
* Tubes (client (not stable)) | * [https://leah.pronounmail.com/code/tubes Tubes] (client (not stable)) | ||
* Ergo (server (pretty okay)) | * Ergo (server (pretty okay)) | ||
* Coleslaw (bridge (very not stable)) | * [https://leah.pronounmail.com/code/coleslaw Coleslaw] (bridge (very not stable)) | ||
== Also == | == Also == | ||
The forums are going to fit into this somehow. Details to come | The {{pronounmail|chat||forums}} are going to fit into this somehow. Details to come | ||
== March Update == | |||
I got [[Okay|sidetracked]] again. In theory, the new protocol should be much less nightmare to implement on both sides of the equation. Once I have a bit more time I'm going to see if that's actually [[True...|true]]. | |||
== April Update == | |||
We gave the original plan a real college try and it didn't really work out. The accounts system is confusing and the UI of every client is so so bad. Tubes will win. See you in a month. | |||
== May Update == | |||
I'm really busy right now but will cease to be in almost exactly 18 hours. | |||
Latest revision as of 13:11, 23 May 2025
The First Chat Migration is an upcoming event in the rich tapestry that is Pronounmail history.
Why Not Discord
- Discord is probably going to go bankrupt at some point.
- Alternatively: Discord is probably going to try an IPO at some point (sorry for the nyt link).
- Discord is based in America, which is a country currently in the process of becoming even more American. This is possibly going to cause problems down the line.
- The only way to use Discord is through their horrible electron client which I don't like very much.
- They keep trying to sell me Discord Nitro which i don't want.
- They just kind of let researchers scrape and publish two billion messages without really doing anything to stop them. This is also a problem with other platforms but at least you can configure your IRCd to make this quite difficult.
Why IRC
- Funny
- I am in the middle of writing a good client for it
Why Not Matrix
To Do
- Get Tubes in a workable state
- Set up an IRCd
- Configure
- Convince everyone to switch platforms
- Bridge? (optional)
Tech Stack
Also
The forums are going to fit into this somehow. Details to come
March Update
I got sidetracked again. In theory, the new protocol should be much less nightmare to implement on both sides of the equation. Once I have a bit more time I'm going to see if that's actually true.
April Update
We gave the original plan a real college try and it didn't really work out. The accounts system is confusing and the UI of every client is so so bad. Tubes will win. See you in a month.
May Update
I'm really busy right now but will cease to be in almost exactly 18 hours.